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Poster: amosearle Date: Jun 29, 2011 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: What were they thinking? TLEO

Who convinced them to turn this into a slow thing? Boy, this one in the uptempo version is so much better. I can understand getting tired of it, but does anyone know why they never seem to have done it both ways instead? What a good hippie shake tune in the uptempo. It's enough to keep me in the early 70's sometimes. WOuld have been a great break out in the 80's when they started pulling that sort of trick.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Jun 30, 2011 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

I agree that the fast version is great. It's definitely a toe tapper and I love it on a sunny day while driving down the highway with the windows down.

I think the slower version is really good too though. I think it really fit with Jerry's developing guitar style more than the faster version. It gave him a lot of room for bends and slides and those, for lack of a better word, liquid, flowing style runs with a lot of swing and dynamics rather than really fast runs. It emphasized his ability to play with real feeling. Maybe that's why he changed it.

I also heard that Jerry got really into reggae and synchopation in the mid 70s. The slower version has a lot more accents and emphasis on specific beats, similar to reggae, than the faster version which just bounces and blazes through. Jerry supposedly loved playing Row Jimmy and that is a similar style.

Either way I absolutely love that song. I play it all the time.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jun 30, 2011 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

I think you're on to something there - his playing style was more lyrical and liquid at this point, his guitar tone was exquisite.

I'm firmly in the fast version camp for both TLEO and FOTD - for me they are truer to the song and its original intent. The fascinating part is, there's no wrong answer, both camps are justified in enjoying their favorites. For me though, it just feels as though the slow versions (especially FOTD) are produced in a drug-induced haze.

Are there any other songs that were either helped or harmed by a radical change in tempo like this?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 30, 2011 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Excellent points all. I think it's a beautiful song and have enjoyed checking out all these versions. The early fast ones are delightful, the slow ones are practically a different song, but even more beautiful.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jun 29, 2011 7:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

I feel the same way about FOTD.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 30, 2011 5:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Amen to that. FOTD became a bathroom break for me after they slowed it down.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 30, 2011 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Oh, no, no, no. :) just can't let this pass. I feel just the opposite - I could take or leave the fast versions of FotD, the slower ones are when it became a real song.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 30, 2011 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FOTD - To each their own

I like both personally. Honestly I'm not sure if any version beats the studio version, the acoustic interplay and Jerry's singing are just fantastic. But have you ever heard this "fast" FOTD ring? might convert you:


http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-09-18.sbd.miller.20675.shnf

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 1, 2011 4:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FOTD - To each their own

Yes, that one's very nice! Might need to listen to the whole show.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 30, 2011 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

You mean "a real BORING song", right? ;)

Actually, I should be clear that the fast versions were way before my time.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 30, 2011 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

To each his own :)
I don't think I ever heard TLEO live.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 30, 2011 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

When I was going to shows I was fine with the slow TLEO. Just doesn't compare favorably to the faster versions in my opinion.

FOTD- well, I guess I enjoyed the slow version once: at my first show. But then, I thought EVERYTHING was awesome that night, including the Day Job encore.

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Poster: snori Date: Jun 30, 2011 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

I'm with you on this one Ringo. And Jerry's solos are so much better on the slower versions.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 30, 2011 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Jerry seemed to alter this one and FOTD at about the same time. Interestingly they are two of a small group of GD originals that Jerry kept doing with the GD and JGB which begs the question, why couldn't he have kept the original arrangements with the GD and do the newer slower versions with JGB? The obvious answer is he didn't like the original arrangements any longer. I think if he was going to keep doing those songs in two different groups, then doing them differently would have kept both songs fresh.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jun 30, 2011 4:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Thanks for the fast and slow recommendations. I can appreciate the slower versions, but I sure like to see folks dance to the faster ones.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 30, 2011 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

I do wish they hadn't dropped the "Heard your news report ..." verse, but I guess it doesn't adapt well to the slower versions.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jun 30, 2011 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Agreed, good point. I'll have to give some time to comparing the suggested offerings with the paperwork shuffle later today.

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Poster: NeverGetOut Date: Jun 30, 2011 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Long time listener, first time caller here :)

I must admit, I'm a little partial to the faster version of TLEO, but something about the slow version of FOTD makes me feel it a little more. There is a sense of desperation in his voice in the slower ones that just gets me every time.

Now to the reason I'm posting: I'm getting married in September and I'm considering TLEO to be played as we walk out hand-in-hand. So I came in looking for a "best of" discussion and found this recent thread. Any recommendations on a good crisp recording of a faster version? I imagine my best bet will be one of the DP releases, but wanted to ask for other suggestions as well.

Thanks for any help on this!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 1, 2011 4:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

I'm sorry you didn't get any replies.

I prefer the JGB versions of this song (as I do most songs that Jerry did with both JGB and GD). The one on Pure Jerry Theater 1839 is quite nice.
The "jerry site" can tell you all the times JGB and other jerry bands played the song:

http://thejerrysite.com/songs/show/834

Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, Jerry played TLEO 262 times just with JGB, so there'd be some sorting to do, but if you narrowed it to s favorite era ...

Having said how much I prefer the slow TLEO, I might think for a wedding, the faster one would be more fun.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 29, 2011 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

the 73 versions do nothing for me, it's a great song, but the reworking of the tune in 75 to a groove song is where it takes off...best versions are 09-28-75. 05-08-77 09-03-77. 02-03-78 12-30-78. 04-18-82 09-10-93. Englishtown or the 12-30-78 might be the best

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 29, 2011 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

JGB! JGB! JGB!

Try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94R2yPMF7HY

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Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Jun 29, 2011 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Completely agree!

Those 73 versions are so much fun. I skip the slower version of the song every single time...
Anyone know of any that might change my mind?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 29, 2011 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

here you go. one of my favs if not my fav version. I like the initial slowed down feel like whats on Reflections and this ( one of my favorites and I like the AUD better )

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-09-28.fob.menke-falanga.motb-0069.91770.flac24

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 29, 2011 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Never heard that one before - interesting. Thanks

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 29, 2011 2:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

This one is pretty good.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-03-19.sbd.chinacat.255.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: gratefulvince Date: Jun 29, 2011 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

TLEO is one of my fav Dead songs and the version that initially made me a fan was the 1977 slower versions. But since getting into 1973 I would say I prefer the faster version more. I think Hunter's tender lyrics deserve a more jauntier/faster melody. It goes good together. IMO TLEO and Reuben and Cherise are the 2 best Hunter/Garcia songs. I'd place Run for the Roses or Valerie at 2nd place. I still think Jerry's solo in the 5/8/77 TLEO is one of the best solo's he ever did u gotta admit. As for the '73 versions, my 2 fav's are 10/19/73 (Dicks Picks, I forget which one) and the TLEO from 11/9/73

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 30, 2011 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

wow really? TLEO and Valerie are the two best Hunter/Garcia tunes? Good tunes but no where near as deep as what they turned out 70-73. Not even in the same Universe IMO

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 30, 2011 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Big plus one to that, Papa John!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 30, 2011 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

thanks, couldn't let that one go. I mean that is one of the wonderful things about the band that has kept them and the mystique timeless. We all know about the incredible musical interplay but how many tunes are so freakin emotionally and/or lyrically deep that we can come back to them again and again and again and find new nuances and meanings and emotional whatever? every bit as much as their deep musical explorations we can find new things in. At least that's how it is for me. Saying TLEO is their best song to me is like saying Around and Around is their best jam. I just don't get it

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Poster: gratefulvince Date: Jun 30, 2011 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Yeah I may have been a bit hyperbolic in that statement 0 I had just smoked a J of Amnesia Haze so I wasn't in my best state of mind when I wrote that. I should have specified those are 2 of my fav Garcia/Hunter love songs. Plus they're both kinda jaunty and upbeat so I lumped them together. Ummm but I disagree with u about the best songs being written 1970-1973. I love all the new songs everyone wrote during 1974-1975 just as much. All those Garcia/Hunter tunes are sick.

Anyways anyone recommendation for a SICK post-1976 TLEO? Like I said I still haven't heard one that rivals the solo Jerry plays on 5/8/77 - that TLEO solo never gets old.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 30, 2011 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

I did't say BEST or that those are the only those years,in fact Althea is one of my all time favorite tunes. I was mainly referencing songs like Ripple, Brokedown Palace, etc as being a VERY prolific rich time for the bands songwriting and if you watch that anthem to beauty documentary Hunter pretty much says exactly that. But trust me there are lots of great songs that came after.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 30, 2011 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

I listened to 5/8/77 twice and found the solo to be dull,and would assume it could be equaled in all versions that are not flat out bad.I would appreciate you pointing out what is so "sick" about this best ever solo.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 29, 2011 11:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

10/19/73 is one of my very favorites too. Solid show all around.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 29, 2011 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

Lovely!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 29, 2011 11:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

2/22/74 might just be the best...still very much '73 but the later grooves are starting to emerge somewhat:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-02-22.sbd.gans-latvala.samaritano.26763.shnf

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-06-30 06:25:32

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 29, 2011 10:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were they thinking? TLEO

12/6/73 is one of my favorites.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-12-06.sbd.miller.105560.flac16